1995 Eclipse

[marcos]

Well My friend has a 1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse with a 420A engine (the non turbo or RS/GS engine) and we are trying to look for parts (obviously the best bang for your buck). We can't seem to find any oversized valves for his engine. We run-in to valves for the turbo set up (the 4g63) but none for the RS or GS for that matter. My friend want's to completly rebuild his engine for a turbo set up-Meaning after market internals to hold up the psi that he wants to drop on that engine <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin::D-->! I am wondering if anyone can give me a "grocery list" of parts that my friend might need as well as websites of parts for the ECLIPSE!! Thanks to all who respond in advance!
P.S. Does anyone know of a QUALITY shop that does good machine work for a good price. A great reputation is a must! We live in CHICO, CA and are willing to drive to anywhere in CA even to Los Angeles! <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin::)-->
Marcos

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[FreakTimmah]

wouldnt it be easier and cheaper just to swap out the engine for a stock turbo engine and do a build up on that <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif" alt="Confused" width="15" height="22"><!--graemlin::confused:-->

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isn't that the same engine in the new srt-4...just built for turbo?

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And it will be way better to just swap in a Stock turbo talon/eclipse motor...save alot of headaches

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[marcos]

I want to thank all of you who have so far responded to my post. Before I go forward don't get butt hurt if I oppose your thoughts... <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin::D-->!! You see he is wanting to push lots of PSI on that engine-somewhere of about 20-30 psi and wants to make sure it could hold up. That's why he wants to rebuild the engine (all the internals and all that good stuff), but we are having trouble finding certain parts for it. How much would a turbo eclipse/talon engine run for and where at? We are trying to avoid a "swap" and OEM parts for the engine!! <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:;)--> Money is not an issue, but keep in mind that we do seek for the best bang for our dollar and as for hp we don't have no "goal of hp" in mind!! <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin::)-->
Marcos

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[FreakTimmah]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by marcos:
I want to thank all of you who have so far responded to my post. Before I go forward don't get butt hurt if I oppose your thoughts... <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin::D-->!! You see he is wanting to push lots of PSI on that engine-somewhere of about 20-30 psi and wants to make sure it could hold up. That's why he wants to rebuild the engine (all the internals and all that good stuff), but we are having trouble finding certain parts for it. How much would a turbo eclipse/talon engine run for and where at? We are trying to avoid a "swap" and OEM parts for the engine!! <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:;)--> Money is not an issue, but keep in mind that we do seek for the best bang for our dollar and as for hp we don't have no "goal of hp" in mind!! <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin::)-->
Marcos
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well you could try checking the for sale areas on some DSM message boards, or just do a search on google or mabey even ebay. im sure you could find an engine for a reasonable price. and it is a much better route to go. the stock turbo engines are built to handel a good amount of power(like up to around 350-400) on stock internals, and the mitsu engineres have already done the tuning for you and figured out the fuel maps, now keep in mind eventualy you will have to re-tune the engine with a dyno but if you swap in a fairly fresh low millage stock one and do some bolt ons you could be making some good relaible power. and of course if your going to go to the trouble of tearing apart the car you might as well replace the stock open differential with a limited slip one as well as replace the stock clutch and flywheel. my suggestion to you is to find some DSM guys online who can help you out and point you in the right direction, good luck <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:;)--> <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin::p-->

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Don't do it.....those motors dont make ny power, even built, you can mkae 300whp easily on a 4g63 with stock internals, which is all you would get out of a fully built 420A...ask around to any DSM guy, they will tell you the same thing....if you wanna build a monster do it right.. <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:;)-->

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[marcos]

So what I am seeing here is that we should get rid of the 420A engine and get the 4g63 engine? I've been trying to find valves for the 420A but haven't had any luck at all. I have gone on ebay.com and yahoo.com as well as goggle.com and haven't had any success at all. Does anyone know any DSM guys or websites for that matter? Quick question-What engine was used on the Mitsubishi Eclipse in The Fast and The Furious movie? What about the internals of that car (green eclipse)? If anyone knows where to get a GST engine then let me know. I've noticed that everyone says that the GST engine fits, but several people have said that it doesn't because it sits on the opposite side (sits on the right side as oppose to the left side like the 420A)! What would I need to make the engine fit or for that matter possible? By the way we already have lsd as well as an upgraded clutch....Thanks for your help...
Marcos
P.S. I know this might sound silly and dumb, but is it possible to make a RS/GS/GST Eclipse all wheel drive? Meaning would the engine fit and what would be needed to make it successfull? Has it been done before? <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin::p-->

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[97 silver ex]

The other people are correct, dont waste your money on buying parts for a 420A. Do the switch and drop a 4G63. It does fit, who ever told you that it doesnt should shoot himself in the face with a shotgun. And your friend shouldnt just buy any 4G63, he should get a 6-Bolt. That would be an engine from a 1G car. Anyone that knows anything about DSMs will tell you if you want to make some serious power you will need a 6 bolt. You can do all of this yourself, but that would be a big pain in the ass. You should find some shop that is not too far from you. You could ask Road Race (http://www.roadraceengineering.com/default.htm) if they can do it, im not sure.

Ok just some more things you need to know. To put a 4G63 in your will need a lot of parts: Engine, transmission, ECU, intercooler (and piping), fuel pump, complete exhaust system. Those are just some of the parts you would need to get it to stock. Then there are even a few more parts you would need to make it a 6 Bolt.

Your friend has a lot of reading ahead of him. Here are some places i would start first.

DSM.org (http://www.dsm.org)

1000 already answered questions (http://members.shaw.ca/costall/1000Q/)

magnus motorsport how to do a 2g in a 1g swap (http://www.magnusmotorsports.com/1g2g.asp)


There is also a yahoo group for people who have put a 1g in a 2g. it is called DSM1gina2g

I couldnt find anything realy fast on putting a 4G63 into a 420A



and if you are realy lazy and dont realy care about the car, you could just upgrade the 420A (http://dsmtuners.com/tuning-guide/2gnt/)

And yes, you can make a fwd and awd, but that is a waste of money, it is cheaper to sell the fwd and buy an awd.

One question for you, you said that money wasnt a problem, then why did he buy such a pos of a car?

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[FreakTimmah]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 97 Red GST:


One question for you, you said that money wasnt a problem, then why did he buy such a pos of a car?

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[marcos]

Hey thanks for your valuable wisdom. Let me clear things up first though before I go ahead. At the time of the purchase it was running strong. And believe me it was running good, but like all things in life over time tends to wore down things...ya dig. When I mention that money wasn't a "BIG" factor I meant that that wasn't 'til after he found out what his plans were going to be. He was planning on going N/A, but over time he has changed his mind to F/I. Keep in mind that at the time of the purchase he wasn't thinkgin of F/I and besides he saw that car as a bargain. It wasn't a POS car when he purchased it, but over time it turned that way... <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin::D-->!! Additionally when I said money isn't a "BIG" factor I am not trying to say that we are rich guys' in fact were COLLEGE STUDENTS ON A BUDGET!! He doesn't have no alternative factor if he wants to drive the car or for that matter sell it because in its current state it needs new piston rings.... <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:;)-->!! Once again thanks and any additional information which may help me I would deeply appreciate...thanks guys....
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[marcos]

The websites that were given were alright to some extent. It kinda didn't answer my questions that I had...so if anyone can help me out I would deeply appreciate it...thanks
latez
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[candymanjl]

here's a good site for some info and parts...

http://www.machv.com/


if you're on a budget, that's one thing, but I personally would look into the 4G63 turbo motor swap. accordy2g's neighbor had a non-turbo eclipse with a built motor and a standalone and ahe was still always having trouble, so personally I just don't trust it. granted he was making like 350-400hp at the wheels, I guess if you get a bolt on kit and only boost like 7-8 you'll be fine.

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[Almighty-Si]

Don't take this the wrong way but in all honesty the best thing he could do in my eyes is...

Return the car to stock, fix the piston rings, sell it and all the aftermarket parts he bought for it.

With the money that he gets for the car and the aftermarket parts, he could probably find himself a 1st generation GSX and have about $1000 bucks left over to play with. Not to mention a much better building block.

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[marcos]

Hey guys thanks for your advice. <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin::D--> I see that everyone seems to agree that my friend should try to return it to stock and try to sell the Eclipse. It always seems so much harder to sell your car than to purchase a car...ehh!!<img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin::p--> Well I explained the information to my friend and he thinks he might follow through and try to sell it. He wants to buy a 1995-1998 Mitsu GSX, but is not quite sure yet...will keep you posted...once again thanks....
Marcos <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin::D-->

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[FreakTimmah]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by marcos:
Hey guys thanks for your advice. <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin::D--> I see that everyone seems to agree that my friend should try to return it to stock and try to sell the Eclipse. It always seems so much harder to sell your car than to purchase a car...ehh!!<img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin::p--> Well I explained the information to my friend and he thinks he might follow through and try to sell it. He wants to buy a 1995-1998 Mitsu GSX, but is not quite sure yet...will keep you posted...once again thanks....
Marcos <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin::D-->

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he should also look for a nice 1st gen, like a 93-94 eclipse/talon/laser. the talon and lasers woudn't be a bad route to go, you can pick em up for cheaper and its the same damn car. plus there better looking but thats just my opinion <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin::p-->

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[marcos]

Does anyone know where my friend can purchase a turbo Manifold for his 420A engine? I went to Hahncraft and they don't sell it by itself-just in the turbo package....Let me know of any websites that may have it for sale....thanks
Marcos
P.S. It is a 420A for a Mitsubishi Eclipse FWD GS...

[BSeRiEsHaTcH69]

w/o ic http://fastdsm.com/product.asp?section=Eclipse_Talon&subname=DSM&productid=31-800-710

with fmic http://fastdsm.com/product.asp?section=Eclipse_Talon&subname=DSM&productid=31-800-720

hope that helps.
Joe

[marcos]

Does your company sell a Turbo Manifold for the 420A Mitsubishi Eclipse RS/GS engine? And if you don't carry this product do you know of any company who does carry such a product.....Please let me know ASAP....thanks. Some individuals have said that a regular TURBO MANIFOLD that we normally see in the B series honda or the 4G63 Mitsu's don't simply fit the 420A engine....
Marcos
P.S. I am having a difficult time finding such a product so with that in mind-Is this product even made? Hope fully you can point me to the right direction by letting me know who might have it....thanks...Some of those sites only offer a "cheap home style" or don't carry the turbo manifold for the car. Thanks anyways.

[BSeRiEsHaTcH69]

company? im 17 bro, i just searched the net for that.
Joe

[SPOOLEDCRXB18]

LOL.....I dont know why...but I feel like picking on Joe today...:p

[BSeRiEsHaTcH69]

knock yaself out, dutch hater!!
Joe

[BSeRiEsHaTcH69]

here i got this from www.dsmtuners.com

This question has been asked countless times, maybe a moderator could put a "Options for going turbo" at the top of the N/T - Turbo Coversion forums... However, here we go again

Unless you plan on building your bottom end before going turbo, there are two Stages to a turbo kit when using your stock internals. A stage I turbo kit is everything the Stage II is, only non-intercooled. Because of this your boost levels will be limited to 5, maybe 6 psi. Stage II kits come with an intercooler and necessary plumbing, allowing you to boost up to 9 psi - and 10psi with some basic fuel tuning.

As for the kits.. there really are only two reputable kits out there to make your N/T turbocharged. The Hahn Racecraft kit is the most widely used and known turbo kit. This kit comes standard with a 16g turbocharger and internal wastegate + all of the other necessary components needed to make it function. The turbo can be upgraded to the larger 20g, slower spool but more top-end potential. If you spend the extra money and go Stage II with the HRC kit you will get a side-mount intercooler included with everything. You can also opt for the more efficient, noticable and expensive front mount intercooler with this kit. Hahn Racecraft distributes their own product and have exceptional customer service.. I know this firsthand because I purchased my injectors through them, and was able to talk to experienced Hahn employee whenever I had a question. Instructions with the kit are 40+ pages long and should explain everything you or a mechanic need to know for the install.

The other turbo kit is what I use, from Star Performance. This kit comes with a larger *standard* t3/t04b turbocharger, fairly similar to the 20g turbo. You also have the option of a larger E-trim turbo with the Star kit, not to mention a ball bearing option (allows for quicker spool). The Star performance kit uses an external wastegate whereas the HRC's wastegate is internal. Polished intercooler piping also comes standard with the Star kit. If you go for the Stage 2 kit with Star you get a standard front mount intercooler with a Spearco core and Star end tanks. Instructions are 2 pages long and serve a better purpose as toilet paper - but it should be 'enough' for a good mechanic... or if you know the fundamentals of the install.

Both of the kits are similar in price, although I think the Star kit is a couple hundred less. This all depends on where the kit is bought, and if it's used, what options it has etc. Eventually you are going to have to get a few supporting mods if you go turbo. I think larger injectors and a basic fuel tuning device (Vortech S-FMU) are damn near required as you don't want to be using your stock injectors for too long and risk running way to lean (engine goes ka-blewie). Also, a larger exhaust system will help out big time - any aftermarket system will do.. I chose to go custom on my exhaust and save a few $$$ to get the same results. Other things such as a clutch or ignition might be required, all depending on your vehicles current condition.

Although I'm sure I missed a few things, this is roughly the main options you will have for which kit to choose. Spend a little bit of time browsing through the N/T - Turbo Conversion forums and reading other similar posts to help fully educate your decision. You would be shocked how many times this question has been asked and debated.

Hope I was of some help! PM me if you have any other questions about the Star kit and what to expect. Or PM one of the many Hahn guys for their fill on that side of the turbo

so basically look into that.
Joe

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Originally posted by marcos
Well My friend has a 1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse with a 420A engine (the non turbo or RS/GS engine) and we are trying to look for parts (obviously the best bang for your buck). We can't seem to find any oversized valves for his engine. We run-in to valves for the turbo set up (the 4g63) but none for the RS or GS for that matter. My friend want's to completly rebuild his engine for a turbo set up-Meaning after market internals to hold up the psi that he wants to drop on that engine <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin::D-->! I am wondering if anyone can give me a "grocery list" of parts that my friend might need as well as websites of parts for the ECLIPSE!! Thanks to all who respond in advance!
P.S. Does anyone know of a QUALITY shop that does good machine work for a good price. A great reputation is a must! We live in CHICO, CA and are willing to drive to anywhere in CA even to Los Angeles! <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin::)-->
Marcos

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The 4G63 motor is cheap to buy and wouldn't be that difficult to install. You can get one used for about $1800-2400 dollars, maybe cheaper if you get a good deal. I swaped one into my gsx when I baught it b/c it had no motor. You most likely should get the one out of a Gs-t eclipse or Talon Tsi or a Laser. Since the rs/gs are FWD those motors would have a compatable ECU, etc.