What's my next step?!!! ::Sick WRX site:: [Archive]

CSmooth999

02-25-2003, 03:30 PM

I was reading the new Sport Compact and came across a website I had never heard of before..APS-WRX.COM (http://www.aps-wrx.com)

So I checked it out and spent about an hour last night cruising the site... you have to see the turbo kits they offer! If I read correctly they custom-build turbos for the WRX!!This company is unbelievable! Based in Australia, where I know the WRX has been popular for the last 8 years, APS seems to have the most experience out of any US based companies.. tell me what you think.

I'd also like to know your opinion on what my next performance modification should be.

I WAS thinking about getting a boost controller, but then there's the problem associated w/ having one w/out changing the a/f ratios and such. So I started researching ECM systems (including boost controls) and JUST came across the ECM this company is offering, making me second think the AEM one I had originally 'almost' decided on.

I need real opinions, so please only respond if you know what you're talking about..(Rotary & Wreckless especially please respond) Most of you know my current set-up and my goals so please keep that in mind!

FYI I am eventually planning on upgrading the turbo (I don't know which one, there are so many out there so opinion here too please), nothing crazy like 500hp to where I'd have to do internal engine work. But for an FMIC and upgraded turbo, Who's got the best one? GReddy? Cobb? APS? Turbonetics? HELP PLEASE!!

9seccivic

02-25-2003, 04:46 PM

yea i have no idea what im talkin about..i better not post, whoops

when i grow up i want to be a principal or a caterpillar..

[This message was edited by 9seccivic on February 25, 2003 at 06:54 PM.]

CivicBeater

02-25-2003, 04:53 PM

I dont know if im good enough to post here <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif" alt="Frown" width="15" height="15">

I think you need a new ecu. What do u think about that

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9seccivic

02-25-2003, 05:18 PM

or see shiv here www.vishnutuning.com (http://www.vishnutuning.com) but maybe i should have wreckless post this for you... <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="Roll Eyes" width="15" height="15">

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CivicBeater

02-25-2003, 05:23 PM

So are you agreeing with me Dom about the ecu???

hmmm maybe we should go to another thread where people of lower IQ's are felt welcome <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif" alt="Confused" width="15" height="22">

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9seccivic

02-25-2003, 05:25 PM

i cant figure out how to get to another thread im e-tarded plus i have no clue what a turbo is..

when i grow up i want to be a principal or a caterpillar..

ROTARYFDTT

02-25-2003, 05:44 PM

I would suggest going with A)either a larger/thicker top mount intercooler or even better B)a nice FMIC as the next BIG thing. For smaller additions, I included some other parts that I feel would benifit your WRX.

Given the location of the stock IC its gotta heat soak like a mofo being right on top of the engine. I'd either run a larger stock mount one but this still won't completely cure the heat soak problems an IC in the engine bay will have. In which case, I would ultimately go with a FMIC. But than again this is all based around how much money you have and are willing to spend.

On a cheaper note, get some aftermarket gauges. If you don't already have an aftermarket boost gauge get one, even if you have a stock one I wouldn't trust it competely. I would get a boost, water temp, and air/fuel or EGT gauge. Buy either a 2 or 3 (if they make it) gauge pod for the A-pillar or a pod similar to the ridiculously overpriced 3 gauge factory upgrade. I am sure you can find an aftermarket one for a reasonable cost. Also, for another nice little addition, get a short throw shifter. B&M no doubt makes one for your car, and they run around 185 dollars, and from what i hear are good quality.

Also I don't know how good the stock cooling system is but an aftermarket Koyo or Fluidyne radiator wouldn't be a bad idea at all.

A manual or electronic boost controller wouldn't be a bad idea either. Not for going nuts and turning up the boost like a mad women but for adjusting it. Save your turbo, if your just cruising around down adjust it to stock or a little below that level. Of course this isn't really suggestive with a manual boost controller because you'll have to get out of the car and slightly adjust it everytime you want to change the boost levels. And they are really sensative to adjustments. But obviously with an electronic boost controller you can do this on the fly. I know for 7s the Greddy proflec B is a nice electronic boost controller for a little over 300 dollars, which is a good deal. Again I don't know how they perform with WRXs so I am just throwing the boost controller thing out as an option.

And of course, a nice BOV wouldn't be bad either. A nice aftermarket one is always a nice addition. For this I recommend the Turbo XS RFL(really ****in loud) BOV. My friend has one on his Stealth TT and its crazy loud. The HKS SS BOV is also badass, given its high pitched sound unlike any other BOV out right now.

Sorry I don't know of any WRX tuning sites off the top of my head other than www.m2performance.com (http://www.m2performance.com) but there is one to look at if you want. And I hope that helps you out or gives you a direction on what you want to do next.

happy boosting......

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CSmooth999

02-25-2003, 06:35 PM

Well I've got 3 STi gauges (boost,oil,bat) and the STi Short-throw shifter and performance suspension...

9SecCivic, WTF?!! You think these guys get phone calls?? Come on now... You know and I know..

NOW DROP the 'tude before I come to Cali and kick your butt for saying things like that!! PuNK! LOL.

And CivicBeater stop agreeing with 9SecCivic.. that's not normal!

I was simply weeding out the idiots that would suggest that I supercharge my car or something like that... LOL... ttyl

9seccivic

02-25-2003, 06:37 PM

well that would get you out here at least.. <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" width="15" height="15">

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CivicBeater

02-25-2003, 06:41 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by ~Chris~:
I was simply weeding out the idiots that would suggest that I supercharge my car or something like that... LOL...

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Ohh yeah i understand....I think you should get a nice 4-1 Header for your car, that would really help at high rpm's <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" width="15" height="15">

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ROTARYFDTT

02-25-2003, 07:09 PM

well that leaves without the one incredibly important water temp gauge. That really is a must, EGT or air/fuel if you don't wanna spend over 200 for the gauge and sensor.

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Paradox

02-25-2003, 07:11 PM

i'm not a dumb kid, but i do know a little bit about whats going on. I'd definatly recommend an electronic boost controller. and similar to what eric said, i'd recommend a piggy-back like a safc. some have boost control within the system so it could serve multiple functions. also...definatly a front mount. i hate top mounts cuz they heat soak like a bia, and your stock intercooler should still be sufficiant, but i would have different end tank custom made and then get custom piping. that would be cheaper than getting a intercooler kit.

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ROTARYFDTT

02-25-2003, 07:20 PM

I still think an aftermarket rad. would be an excellent addition. But seeing as what you have done now I believe an upgraded IC should be next on the list. Aside from that here is my little run down on ECUs.

First off, does your car really need an aftermarket ECU or not. And at which stages does it if at all. I know DSMs ECUs basically adjust to whatever you decide to upgrade. Are WRXs like this as well? I have heard good things about AEM, I really am partial to the Power FC but I dont' know if WRXs use it. A staged ECU is also an option but if I were you I would really go with a tunable one. But that brings in the problem of where are you gonna get it tuned.

But the main thing is how much your car can take on stock ECU. You also might want to start thinking about fuel. If you mod anymore does it need a fuel pump or perhaps bigger injectors (aside from a larger turbo where I am assuming the fuel system does need to be upgraded). My best advice seeing as I specically don't know what WRXs can handle, is call a WRX tuner and talk to them. I haven't heard of WRXs running ECUs like a AEM, Haltech or Power FC though.

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ROTARYFDTT

02-25-2003, 07:26 PM

also I really wouldn't recommend tuning with the likes of a Super AFC because you can't get the precise tuning you can with the likes of a Power FC, AEM or Haltech

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9seccivic

02-25-2003, 10:44 PM

or you could try www.vishnutuning.com (http://www.vishnutuning.com)

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whois thisis

02-25-2003, 10:58 PM

....roots type, fo sho.

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CSmooth999

02-25-2003, 11:08 PM

The #1 problem a lot of WRX owners are having w/ the boost controller is that the A/F ratios run improperly causing spikes and other problems...

Upgrading the FMIC will come when I upgrade the turbo.. I'm trying to prioritize.

After contacting TurboXs they said my stock BOV is fine and can handle up to 25psi.. thats something I can hold off on upgrading.

I don't want to surf webpages! I want answers! LOL. I think I need to seek Subaru experts for ECM suggestions.. no offense to you guys but this aspect is very car specific. No one knows a damn thing about the WRX computer.. hmmm.. what to do?!

Paradox...I didn't even think of headers... not a bad idea.. hmmmm.. that or an ECM first? Ahhh...

Help please..

9seccivic

02-25-2003, 11:16 PM

http://www.vishnutuning.com/xede.htm here is the fully user programmable ecm attatchment i went through the website, this is what i found.hope it helps if not i canhave shiv contact you personally..let me know

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[This message was edited by 9seccivic on February 26, 2003 at 01:42 AM.]

wreckless

02-26-2003, 12:15 AM

owned

wreckless

02-26-2003, 12:17 AM

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Paradox...I didn't even think of headers... not a bad idea.. hmmmm..

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you're joking. <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif" alt="Confused" width="15" height="22"> tell me you're joking. please. you need to be joking. a 4-1 header?
and that was eric, not josh. i.... please tell me i didn't read something right........ please.

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ROTARYFDTT

02-26-2003, 08:11 AM

Chris I highly suggest calling whoever manufactures/tunes the ECMs your thinking about. That is the only way you are going to get specific answers. If you can hold out an ECM I think I would, because from what I gathered they are tuned to your mods, which is nice untill you go to upgrade something else and you have to buy another unit. But again this is just me, and it would really be to your benifit to call a ECM manufacturer.

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CSmooth999

02-26-2003, 08:32 AM

What wrong with headers? (Other than the fact that I haven't researched them....)

True, thanks guys.

CivicBeater

02-26-2003, 09:18 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by wreckless:
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Paradox...I didn't even think of headers... not a bad idea.. hmmmm..

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you're joking. <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif" alt="Confused" width="15" height="22"> tell me you're joking. please. you need to be joking. a 4-1 header?
and that was eric, not josh. i.... please tell me i didn't read something right........ please.

[/quote]

Ohh please it was a joke, did you not see what i quoted in that post <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="Roll Eyes" width="15" height="15">

Come on i aint that clueless<img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif" alt="Frown" width="15" height="15"> I have played Nitto <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" width="15" height="15">

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ROTARYFDTT

02-26-2003, 10:13 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by ~Chris~:
What wrong with headers? (Other than the fact that I haven't researched them....)

True, thanks guys.

[/quote]

the fact that turbo cars don't have them......

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SPOOLEDCRXB18

02-26-2003, 10:30 AM

Well actually, form what I have read and understood(I'm not a WRX fan so dont take it to the bank) but seeing how the motor is a flat four,and has cylinders opposing each other,the manifold is known to be quite restrictive,they have small primary tubing to the collector,and being that the turbo sits towards the back of the motor,both sides have "header" like manifolds,thats why they're are quite a few companies I've seen that sell aftermarket pices,not exactly sure if it's a great upgrade,as far as good power increase and all,but I know that the stock pieces are kinda garbage......

As far as mods Chrissy, I agree with the others that fuel and a boost controller would be a good upgrade......Ummmm also an EXHAUST would prolly yeild a considerable output,along with maybe a better air filter......dunno if you have these yet or not,just my .02

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CSmooth999

02-26-2003, 11:22 PM

Sorry I should have clarified...

I also have an Injen CAI and a TurboXS full-exhaust... (4" downpipe to a 3" straight-pipe <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" width="15" height="15"> NO kittens here....) I'd say that +30WHP is rather considerable.. whoooo hoooo!!!

So here's what I had in mind for my 'next mod' but I really need to know what your opinion is on priority of these mods...

ECM w/ boost control?
Catless uppipe? (w/out manifold)
Intake manifold header thingy?

Exhaust manifold? What exactly are the benefits of having one? The one I looked at incorporated a catless uppipe, which I thought was kind of cool. I know its function but would I even need one at this stage?

SPOOLEDCRXB18

02-27-2003, 09:26 AM

Doesnt Turbo XS nake a chip for that car???????
I thought I heard was really a good buy,but again I could be wrong,dont think that the "header" upgrade would be worth it right now,maybe when you upgrade to the BIG turbo it would be a consideration,again though I really dont mess wit Subie's so I could be talkin out of my ass, I really think you should upgrade the fuel pump,maybe a nice regulator,and a profficient electronic boost controller,maybe like a Profec B or EVC EZ.....I would stay away from the manual boost controllers,I've never really liked them due to inconvenince and being way too sensitive,plus I also got a lotta spiking when I used them,the only one I saw thats nice that I would buy was the Greddy\Trust piece,but for that price just get the electronic one.I will call a buddy of mine that deals with Subies more if you like.....

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whois thisis

02-27-2003, 10:51 AM

i always thought that the ECU was one of the last mods to do....
a mechanical boost controller would be fine for now. and anything that makes your exaust less restrictive is wirth it and should be done before any internal/elecrtical mods.

also, any artical i've ever read tells you the best thing to do first (though it won't yeild any additional HP) is upgrade your cooling system. i think rotary mentioned this several posts back. it really helps the car to cope with the extra heat generated by the extra power. plus if you're thinking of going to a FMIC it'll have to be done anyway. fuidyne is a very reputable company, though you may be able to find a local shop that can do a coustom rad for you for less and may preform better. you never know. i like supporting the small pop and pal shops that operate localy. they make good sponsors too- not very demanding <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" width="15" height="15">

just as i'm thinking here... what is the fuel system good to?

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BSeRiEsHaTcH69

02-27-2003, 10:11 PM

fudge it. TXS UTEC or piggyback upgrade. cant go wrong with that. also, UTEC has unlimited tuning capabilities. also, TXS dual solenoid boost controller. use 1st to gain traction and play. with a flick of a switch, bump up the boost. **** blitz fmic dont wanna lose precious fogs. MRT and XS engineering make a front mount that retains the stock fogs. tmic have shiity cooling characteristics. a. heat RISES b. where does this heat stay? under the hood. c. does a hood scoop help? yes however, if you have a front mount heat will be rising within the intercooler itself and not the engine bay. also, if you get the UTEC, you might as well just save for the TXS turbo kit since it just owns. i mean you have intake, up-pipe, and full exhaust. there is no reason for you not to get the TXS kit because i cant really see any mods you need to be able to bolt on that turbo kit and make it efficient at that. it will breath well enough and with the help of a 1000 equal length stainless steel turbo manifold it will be insane.
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CSmooth999

02-27-2003, 10:42 PM

BSeries, have you heard anything about the AEM ECU in comparision w/ the UTEC? I think one's a chip.. or a supplement system.

The only problem I'd have w/ getting JUST a boost controller is that the fuel ratios won't be adjusted to the boost levels demanding it...

whois thisis

02-27-2003, 11:00 PM

isn't that whay your stock ECU is for. they manage fuel already.

just don't exceed your injector's max output/duty cycle.

here's a dollar- you know the rest

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whois thisis

02-27-2003, 11:03 PM

did you even read my last post?

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BSeRiEsHaTcH69

02-27-2003, 11:03 PM

nah the UTEC allows for maximum tuning although the AEM unti is a full stand alone. however, the piggyback UTEC has all the saem feature except it lets the stock ECU control shiet like cold start, warm start etc. also the AEM unit has warning lights just in case you get to crazy and mess with the injectors too much.
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whois thisis

02-27-2003, 11:36 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Old Si:
did you even read my last post?

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i'll take that as a "no"

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CSmooth999

02-28-2003, 12:59 PM

Old Si, STOP POSING. Stop asking me questions you already know answers to. If I knew the answers myself well then I'd have no point in being here asking you, now would I?

I read your last post.. and I'm still not understanding why you're not explaining why I'm wrong if you know why.

So Wreckless aka Old Si, let me restate my concern:

I do not think that the stock ECU is designed to recognize higher boost levels. It knows what it's programmed to know as 'normal boost' which would apply to 'normal fuel ratios'...

If you increase the boost, and the stock ECU is not a self-learning system, it will retain the factory fuel settings assuming boost levels won't go higher than 14.7psi causing problems.

(What these problems are I'm not quite sure, which is why I'm asking right now I'm just going by what other WRX tuners have told me.)

If this theory is correct, then having JUST a boost controller can do more harm than good.

You mentioned bigger injectors though, you think I should consider those before a ECU/BC? I've heard that too..

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BSeRiEsHaTcH69

03-01-2003, 07:59 PM

TXS piggy back will up boost and fuel levels. so you dont need injectors.
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SPOOLEDCRXB18

03-01-2003, 09:56 PM

Question.........I know Toyotas and Nissans have like secondary maps in their programs,for if you have a boost spike or whtever,it will use that secondary map to add the neccessary fuel....just in case you dont understand lemme explain.... say your normal boost level is 10 pounds,and for some reason the boos spikes to 18 pounds unexpectedly,the ECU has a secondary map set up for 18 pounds(for protection),that it will use for that temporary increase...now I know that with some Toyotas and Nissans when you send out your ECU to be "chipped" what they programmer will do is just make the secondary map the primary map,therefore givin you the fuel needed to run 18 pounds all day.....I would have to assume that the WRX has some kind of "safe" map that it can use for unexpected boost increases,if this is so,couldnt you just run that map,like they do on Toyos and Nissans?????
Now the only thing I can see different is that Toyos and Nissans dont use the ECU to control boost levels,does the WRX???????????
I'm just tryin to give you options to research,dunno if this can be done or not in your situation,but thought it might be worth lookin into.....

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BSeRiEsHaTcH69

03-01-2003, 11:57 PM

WRX uses map to control boost. secondly if you could just chip your ECU in a WRX then why would they make piggybacks targeted for that? but if the WRX does have a secondary map for spikes maybe people just havent thought of it. beats me.
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wreckless

03-03-2003, 10:10 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by BSeRiEsHaTcH69:
WRX uses map to control boost. secondly if you could just chip your ECU in a WRX then why would they make piggybacks targeted for that? but if the WRX does have a secondary map for spikes maybe people just havent thought of it. beats me.
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they make chips and piggy backs for a lot of cars. it depends on what you're tryin to do. i guess i just don't know my subarus. but i always thought fuel pressure was a factor of the pump and the FPR. but i guess i'm not as educated as i thought. <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif" alt="Red Face" width="15" height="15"> teach me.

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BSeRiEsHaTcH69

03-03-2003, 08:24 PM

well the injectors in the WRX dont run at full duty cycle at stock boost level. the piggyback adjusts the fuel maps to compensate for the boost pressure level. however, the Turbo XS UTEC "stand a lone" unit allows you yourself to adjusts these maps. so as far as getting a computer for the WRX goes its a good mod if you are not gonna upgrade your turbo and such. but since she is i reccomended the UTEC because it will allow her to tune her car adn not just have a constant map set at a certain injector cycle and boost pressure level that is untunable.
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jgill17

03-04-2003, 10:29 AM

chris,
why not get a stage 4 package from turboxs with the upgrades intercooler?

I've got the shows....now i need the goes.

CSmooth999

03-04-2003, 11:22 AM

It's not something I haven't thought of. I've checked it out and definitly seems like a nice set-up that will produce ample power..

BUT the turbo they're using in that kit is an IHI VF-30 (which I think is the stock turbo on the STi, it could be a VF-24 I don't remember) and more importantly the guys who tune my car aren't that fond of IHI turbos.. they continue to suggest Turbonetics, Garret, or GReddy (who I think modifies IHI turbos..hmmm)

The injectors and fuel pump look like a great idea, and so does that FMIC.. the UTEC system I'm still looking into... <img src="http://www.clubhonda.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" width="15" height="15">

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