All Motor Vs. Turbo

[Checkmate]

I would just like to know some advantages and dis advantages of N/A car vs. FI cars. I cant decide if i want a b18c1 or a b18c5 for my new civic. If i get a b18c1 id get a turbo, if i get the b18c5 id probley go all motor. All motor Sounds nice but so does Turbo. Any suggestions???

[This message was edited by Checkmate on September 30, 2002 at 04:41 PM.]

[Jamaican Import Tuner]

Well its really what u like.........if u go turbo i would suggest u do it properly such as get aftermarket pistons and rods to handle the boost and upgrade ur fuel system and maybe ignition.......When running turbo u can always turn up the boost and get horse power to play with plus u might get dat nice blow off valve sound/ and everyone will know ur running turbo...the bad if u get a big turbo....lagging is going to kill u and u might get upset jus driving around town.

If u want alot of power out of all-motor....ur goin to have to do some real work and tons of tuning. ur going to have to runn very high compression ratio. and try to get lighter internal parts, plus u might get some cams, like Skunk 2 stage 2'z and do over ur valve train to rev a lil higher. stroking will give u more torque and boring out will give u more horsepower.....the bad....ur not going to be able to turn no nob and get no more power.. the good...u will have braggin rights and respect if u whoop up a turbo car

the bads for both is that running turbo or running a higher compression ratio is going to stress the engine....building the engine is da easy part...tuning it right is da hard part...if u dont tune it and maintain it right it might only live for 6 months..........dats jus my opinon

[candymanjl]

you just gotta decide how fast you want to go. if you just want to run 13's full interior on street tires, then you can go either way. but with a NA setup, to go faster than that on a street car would be hard. NA is when there's no replacement for displacement.

now turbo (or supercharger or nitrous) that's the replacement for displacement :D and with a basic turbo kit you should be able to hit 13's no problem, then upgrade some more stuff later on and 12's shouldn't be a problem either. all it takes with boost is $$$. but with a NA setup you're limited to physics, no amount of cash will fix that.

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[RVs021.8T]

I don't have a Honda explanation, but I'll give you my VW explanation.

My friends car: 1995 Jetta VR6, GIAC chip, 268 cat cams, Schrick VGI, 2.5" TT exhaust, K&N filter....total of about $2500.

My car: 2002 Jetta 1.8T, UPsolute chip, K&N filter, ECS Race n75 valve, stock exhaust...total of about $400.

Everytime we race, I beat him. From every gear, every rpm, doesn't matter. He wanted the N/A sound/performance, and he got it. The sound is wicked, but the performance just isn't there. It's fast, don't get me wrong, a high 14's car...but he could barely beat my stock turbo.

IMO, just isn't worth it...if you really want to move. Now, Honda's will fair better with the lightweight and all, but just as easy a turbo will beat a n/a all day in my book. :)

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[DLS TekNiQue]

id go GSR (B18c1) with a turbo

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[FreakTimmah]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by candymanjl:
you just gotta decide how fast you want to go. if you just want to run 13's full interior on street tires, then you can go either way. but with a NA setup, to go faster than that on a street car would be hard. NA is when there's no replacement for displacement.

now turbo (or supercharger or nitrous) that's the replacement for displacement :D and with a basic turbo kit you should be able to hit 13's no problem, then upgrade some more stuff later on and 12's shouldn't be a problem either. all it takes with boost is $$$. but with a NA setup you're limited to physics, no amount of cash will fix that.
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yup, i totaly agree, N/A works better on bigger engines, for instance if you had a firebird you could def be fast N/A. on imports though i think bost really is the way to go. frankly most of the N/A imports ive seen so far havent really impressed me...

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[CivicBeater]

somebody catch me up to speed..N/A <-- what does that mean?

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[Paradox]

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[CivicBeater]

ohh ok cool, so i can say i got a N/A car..true true

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[Checkmate]

Whats a good compression for turbo? Dosent the b18c1 have 10.1? The b18c5 USDM has 10.6 (with 195 hp). Is that low enough for turbo?

[This message was edited by Checkmate on October 02, 2002 at 05:49 PM.]

[SPOOLEDCRXB18]

you really want lower compression if you're gonna boost.9:1-9.5:1 for a street car.10:1-10.5:1 thats decent compression for N\A though.

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[Checkmate]

So becouse of a higher boost level you can set, a b18c1(10.1:1) w/turbo would be faster in quarter mile than a b18c5 USDM (10.6:1) w/turbo?

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[JAYRACER18]

in theory yes.. I would go with turbo

'93 civic si hatch

[Checkmate]

So on that note, wouldent a b18b USDM (9.2:1) Go even faster on 1/4 mile runs from a even higher boost level?

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[jd_civic_92]

i would go with a gs-r swap and a turbo

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[hawjracer]

just turbo it you have more power, and be faster.

95 civic dx
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[Projekt7Tuning]

Alright my opinion on this one, is to go boost you are looking at problems. With problems comes less reliability, as well as money! Lots of money! However, if you can stand the obstacles, and you got the doe, then you will EXTREMELY happy with a turbo. N/A is more reliable, and there is less forced pressure on the engine, but it takes a lot of money to go fast as well. There are economical ways to run a decent all motor apllication, then throw a decent shot of NOS on there for the times you need it. Bottom line is Turbo: not reliable/money for problems N/A more reliable, but takes more money to go real FAST

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[JeremyL]

made built installed and TUNED turbo should be just as reliable as any NA car, i knew a dude that had a 88 Porsche 944T with 345K all original everything engine tranny turbo and exhaust were all original

with NA comes extrememly high revving if you want a lot of power and speed, high revving like 8500+ all the time will destroy a motor much faster than running 9lbs on a stock block. and with a properly sized turbo lag is almost nonexsistent, and you can do things like get a lightweight flywheel to speed up the spooling. with an NA car especially a low displacement VTEC you have to wait to almost 5500rpm to get the extra power, unless u plan on running a T8 the lag should beno porblem, get a T3/4 and you should be fine

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[ConspiracySi]

Remember Kids, "Boost is Better!!"

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[SPOOLEDCRXB18]

Well to make it easy,How fast are you realistically looking to go?????? :confused:

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[Checkmate]

Id be happy with 12's but it would be tight if i could break into high 10's some day. I believe i aready made up my mind to go with turbo. Right now im just decideing which turbo to get.

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[trboaccord]

to get thos times the best and easiest way is with turbo..

[SPOOLEDCRXB18]

Yea the easiest way to get those times would be with turbo.And with turbo you have more ability to make more power down the road when you're ready to run 10's. ;)
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