ok, this time for real...

[candymanjl]

all righty then, got extra $$$ this month, figure if I start to buy parts, I won't spend the money on something else.

the major parts I need are:

low compression pistons w/ rings and pins

rods that'll allow my gs-r crank to go into my B16 block

blockgaurd

arp head studs


if you guys got any hook-ups or know where to get things cheap, hook a brotha up :D

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[minhman]

try this site, this is where I usually buy my stuff.

www.groupbuycenter.com (http://www.groupbuycenter.com)

The deals are not that bad compare to some local shops.

[JON NELLO]

the guy that helped put my car togther, imports parts from japan and and gets a lot of good prices from fenders across the world, for example my turbo kit from greddy, the kit along retails for 2999.95 + the entercooler is an extra depending where you get it, it ranges from $850-1000! i paid $2300.00 for the kit and $700 for the entercooler. 3000.00 dollars shop around let my know what you find.

[Paradox]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by minhman:

http://www.groupbuycenter.com

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;)

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[candymanjl]

groupbuycenter.com only had one source for rods, importparts.com had them for $350, which is the same price I've seen then other places, so it's not much of a deal.

they didn't have any of the other stuff I was looking for, but they had a good place for Hondata, but I'm not looking for that yet.

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[Paradox]

if i was rich, theres alot of stuff on there i like

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[Hellz99si]

www.optauto.com (http://www.optauto.com)
www.groupbuycenter.com (http://www.groupbuycenter.com) :)
www.importparts.com (http://www.importparts.com)

Dunno those are a couple

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T3/T4 custom happening SOON

[GSteg]

wait..what are you going to do that has to involve low compression pistons? :confused:

[Paradox]

he's running a rather nice turbo.

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[GSteg]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Paradox:
he's running a rather nice turbo.

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but that doesn't mean he has to lower the compression. perfect ratio would be around 10.5:1. just don't say i didn't warn you guys when you're not on boost when low end seems as slow as a stock civic :o you're just taking away power by lowering the compression. oh well. not my car..

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[Paradox]

beats the hell out of me, i was just saying it b/c thats what i've been told. i don't have FI so i wouldn't know

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[GSteg]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Paradox:
beats the hell out of me, i was just saying it b/c thats what i've been told. i don't have FI so i wouldn't know

[/quote]

i don't have F/I either, hell..i don't even have a car.. :cool: :D

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[Paradox]

i have a CRV :(

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[GSteg]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Paradox:
i have a CRV :(


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better than having nothing..at least you have something to put an H22 in :D

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[Paradox]

i just put in a system so i'm broke

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[accordy2g]

Gsteg: where are you getting info do you what it is your talking about. You want a car to run 15psi or more on stock compression!!! come on now, that will blow you pistons and break your rods. By lowering the compression yes you will lose some HP when your not in boost but lower your compression doesnt make you lose that much HP. I blew my rings on 12psi on stock 9.3 compression ratio. Now with 9.0 or 8.5 to one compression that wouldnt have happened. I think you need to read a bit more before you reply like that.You cant run high boost with high compression!!!!!

[candymanjl]

yeah, you can run higher boost on higher compression, but you're gonna need stronger aftermarket pistons, and you'll have to run race gas if you want to boost a lot on high compression.

with the lower compression, there's less stress on the bottom end and you can run higher boost on pump gas. but if you're building a race only car, then it's gonna be different, but on my street car, that's what I want.

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[candymanjl]

even if I went from 10.5:1 like I am now, down to something really low like 8.5:1 (which is what I'm leaning towards) I'll only lose about 5-10hp off boost. but I'll gain a lot more potential for boost and maybe nitrous on top of that.

don't forget, the stock gs-t eclipse motors are 8.something compression, and the supra motors come stock with 8.0:1 if I remember right.

I'm also gonna have my 1.8L gs-r crank in there, so the torque I gain will make up for the little power I lose before boost.

when I had the gs-r bottom end, it was 10.0:1, when I went to the B16A, I got 10.5:1. going from 1.8L down to 1.6L lost a lot of power, even though I gained a little compression.

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[GSteg]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by accordy2g:
Gsteg: where are you getting info do you what it is your talking about. You want a car to run 15psi or more on stock compression!!! come on now, that will blow you pistons and break your rods. By lowering the compression yes you will lose some HP when your not in boost but lower your compression doesnt make you lose that much HP. I blew my rings on 12psi on stock 9.3 compression ratio. Now with 9.0 or 8.5 to one compression that wouldnt have happened. I think you need to read a bit more before you reply like that.You cant run high boost with high compression!!!!![/quote]

which engine are you talking about? st00pid over on the other board ran 20psi on his STOCK block B18B engine. the only real mod you need is a blockguard. of course you'll need some other things such as fuel pump, etc. he also ran 15psi on his older stock B18C1 before he forged the pistons with JE and a compression about 9:2.1to run 24psi. he builds car for a living. so far, go got 3 ITR to run on stock bottom end, making at least 350whp each on pump gas.

NOCARLOSER on SHO ran 12psi on his stock block B18C1 also. best time was 11.38. race gas? nope. try pump gas.

MatT3T4 on various other boards ran 14+psi on his stock block B16. here is a link of what MatT3T4 has to say...http://www.hondalife.com/articles/turbochargerompression.htm its a very good article.

boosted hybrid on HT.com ran his B16 at 12psi and it ran fine. switched to the LS engine and ran 15psi fine also. best time? 11.8

How could we forget b18b25psi? forged his pistons to 10:1 and ran 19psi on his LS engine, making 450whp. with 25psi? 550whp.

there are lots more, but you just can't say its luck or anything. these are all daily driven cars with full interior. what do they all also have? an engine management system to keep their car alive during high boost.

saying that if you lower your boost then it wouldn't have fried your rings is pretty ignorant. you can still fry it at that compression, if you dont' know how to tune the car right. i can go on and on about this, but i'm not going to. i've done many research already.

having to lower the compression does indeed put less stress on the engine, but not by much. the more power you put to your engine, the more stress it will have. but since lowering the compression doesn't loose that much of hp, then it would make sense that it wouldn't relieve THAT much of stress. when you raise the psi after that, you're putting more stress not on just the engine, but on the turbo to spin faster RPM's. another disadvantage is that boost won't come on early as the stock compression. i guess i come from a different world... :(

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[sohcmydohc]

^^^my sentiments exactly. tuning is everything. why lower compression just to raise boost? just keep a higher compression and boost lower. you'll end up saving your turbo in the long run as well.

[candymanjl]

the LS block is 9.3:1, so that's lower then the B16's 10.5:1 or the gs-r's 10.0:1

not to mention that st00pid has a full speed-pro engine management system with huge injectors, so it's tuned right.

but when he had a stock gs-r bottom end he only ran 11psi.

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[GSteg]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by candymanjl:
the LS block is 9.3:1, so that's lower then the B16's 10.5:1 or the gs-r's 10.0:1

not to mention that st00pid has a full speed-pro engine management system with huge injectors, so it's tuned right.

but when he had a stock gs-r bottom end he only ran 11psi.

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LS w/20psi
20psi/14.7psi=1.36
1.36+1=2.36
2.36(9.3)=21.95 effective CR

GSR w/15psi
15psi/14.7psi=1.02
1.02+1=2.02
2.02(10.0)=20.2 effective CR

u can see that the LS has a higher effective CR. the higher it is, the harder it is to tune the engine. just like the compression we were talking about earlier. the lower the compression, the easier it is to tune and you get more room for making error, as a higher compression is harder to tune and can run into detonation easily. this means that the LS with 20psi is harder to tune than the GSR, making it more amazing to reach.


of course st00pid had an engine management system. that just show tuning is everything. take a B16 with 5psi and you can still blow it up. as matT3T4 said last time.."lowering the compression does not mean you can substitute tuning.

i was wrong..he didn't run 15psi, he ran 14psi making it less significant than the LS engine w/20psi.
http://www.cyberwiz.com/temp_ppicture/hotperl.8078.1028571690

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[candymanjl]

regaurdless, my gs-r motor threw a rod at 8psi running very rich with conservative timing (I don't know the milage though). so if you ask me, any stock motor, no matter how tuned, is going to break down from the stress of higher HP. it's just a matter of time.

st00pid's fully built gs-r bottom end went on his setup, that's why he went to the stock gs-r bottom end and I guess now the ls bottom end.

a shop I know on the west coast was making 300hp to the wheels on thier boosted CRVTEC setup fully tuned with Hondata (not sure the boost level). but with the bottom end stock they got 20,000 miles before the stress got to it and it died. they just wanted to see how well the stock bottom end held up, even with correct tuning.

one thing that hasn't been mentioned is that with the lower compression the peak PSI (not boost, but PSI after the spark) levels in the cylinders goes down, even when making the same hp levels. the big reason you gain power with boost is a longer burn after spark. NA only pushes the piston down for the first 45-90 degrees, but with boost it's pushing the piston down for 90-120 degrees or so.

so no matter what, the bottom end needs to get built to live long, and I want low compression to help it last longer and to run more boost/maybe nos.

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[GSteg]

**sigh** :(


no use of arguing..

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[Paradox]

thats how you should've thought int he first place

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BSeRiEsHaTcH69:
~Chris~ is a goddess [/quote]

Paradox: I agree